tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3664872774352256800.post1001890654397495204..comments2023-10-16T07:47:14.662-07:00Comments on Yooper's Trails: Catabolic Collapse: Detroit, Michiganyooperhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11297259993402713368noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3664872774352256800.post-66274118526954558802010-05-13T00:30:30.155-07:002010-05-13T00:30:30.155-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3664872774352256800.post-30184535706184585552010-05-03T02:39:17.298-07:002010-05-03T02:39:17.298-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3664872774352256800.post-67641911997336841052010-04-15T22:36:30.018-07:002010-04-15T22:36:30.018-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3664872774352256800.post-30494808997260897242010-04-01T02:38:03.729-07:002010-04-01T02:38:03.729-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3664872774352256800.post-17583347832269767012010-03-30T02:23:39.699-07:002010-03-30T02:23:39.699-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3664872774352256800.post-66482532378652535222010-03-29T02:44:23.602-07:002010-03-29T02:44:23.602-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3664872774352256800.post-18318971829584335442010-03-13T19:10:52.473-08:002010-03-13T19:10:52.473-08:00Nice dispatch and this fill someone in on helped m...Nice dispatch and this fill someone in on helped me alot in my college assignement. 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Can I be so bold to predict that different things may happen in different places and at different times?<BR/><BR/>Maybe it because I'm such a die hard Detroit Lions football fan, but I think, Detroit will continue to be a viable city well into the future. Detroit has a lot going for it and some of this doesn't quite meet the eye.. http://www.detroitsalt.com/home.htm<BR/><BR/>I can't imagine just how many "little Detroits" might be out there, all having common problems...<BR/><BR/>"It is fascinating to watch the new becoming forces at work in Detroit."<BR/><BR/>Sure like the way you worded that. Almost like Oswald Spengler, himself! ha!<BR/><BR/>LizaZ, you're welcomed!yooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11297259993402713368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3664872774352256800.post-37268657325103613492009-01-04T10:08:00.000-08:002009-01-04T10:08:00.000-08:00I'm looking forward to these photos and posts...I'm looking forward to these photos and posts...Lisa Zahnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17491596171533559615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3664872774352256800.post-7952062513876258302009-01-04T07:40:00.000-08:002009-01-04T07:40:00.000-08:00Good morning Yooper & thanks for letting me po...Good morning Yooper & thanks for letting me post here.<BR/><BR/>Dare I be so bold as to predict that different things may happen in different places? For all that decaying stuff left atop it, Detroit is fundamentally a prairie area that doesn't get an awful lot of rainfall, hasn't got the most robust topsoil available, and so on. Take away the fossil fuel support and the most practical thing left is agriculture and subsistence farming. It is very good to see Nature at work reclaiming the abandoned places.<BR/><BR/>Before coming to Massachusetts I lived for many years in a place that's almost like a miniature of Detroit: Schenectady, NY. To be more accurate, it is more like a miniature of Buffalo or Rochester or Syracuse, except it's retained some token GE/KAPL business. In all other regards, though (particularly the divisions of racism, poverty, crime, great disparity in wealth, lack of jobs, lack of willpower to get anything done) it seems much like the descriptions of Detroit.<BR/><BR/>Until just before I left, I never had a car there. Although it is horribly sh*tty, I either used the local bus network or walked everywhere. Had too many dicey times being out alone at night ~ not very safe :( There are whole parts of Schenectady that clear out at sundown and are not safe areas to walk through. The unholy self-reinforcing trinity of drugs, crime, and poverty is very much at work there.<BR/><BR/>It is fascinating to watch the new becoming forces at work in Detroit.Nudgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01513472441473206482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3664872774352256800.post-17916241713280744392009-01-04T06:10:00.000-08:002009-01-04T06:10:00.000-08:00I suppose, I'm not done with Nudge's idea,""The pr...I suppose, I'm not done with Nudge's idea,<BR/><BR/>""The primary, or even secondary value of a home is NOT for financial gain upon resale, duh .. the true value of your home is a place for you and your family to live. It keeps you safe behind its walls, it shelters you from the elements. Everything else about it is minor in comparison."<BR/><BR/>Isn't this the underlying theme of "FarFuture"? (just click on Far to take you there) Of all the personalities that I've come across the internet, perhaps Far, has best positioned himself to meet the future? Whether, he likes it or not, is at times, debatable..ha!ha!yooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11297259993402713368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3664872774352256800.post-49799334866868742382009-01-04T05:54:00.000-08:002009-01-04T05:54:00.000-08:00Screaming Sardine, you bet. Along with you thought...Screaming Sardine, you bet. Along with you thought, many of the attempted "face lifts" over the years have been made nearest the main routes of travel and further one goes into the neighborhoods, the less this attempt becomes apparent.<BR/><BR/>Detroit was once, one of the most diverse ethnic centers in the world. Immigrants making neighorhoods that were/are prodominantly, German, Polish, Arab, Mexican, etc.. I'm in agreement with the judge in thinking that Detroit might be one of the most fractured socities in America...<BR/><BR/>Hello Nudge! Michael Nystrom, in my opinion, is one of the most acute financial "wizards" any where in the world, so at that, maybe we can forgive him, a bit? ha! ha! I can assure you, that your thought of a house being a "home" is not lost upon this man. Check this out,http://www.depression2.tv/d2/node/66 and see what I mean. You might want to check the comments on this story, that will give you perhaps a "sneak preview" of where I'm going with this...<BR/><BR/>Your thoughts are just excellent about our ancestors having another idea about "home ownership" and how they "valued property". That is, I think, in general, most people do not value their property the same way as our ancestors did, and that these values may be different now than say back then.<BR/><BR/>I really like your idea,<BR/><BR/> "The primary, or even secondary value of a home is NOT for financial gain upon resale, duh .. the true value of your home is a place for you and your family to live. It keeps you safe behind its walls, it shelters you from the elements. Everything else about it is minor in comparison."<BR/><BR/>Isn't this one of the underlying themes of the detroitblog?<BR/><BR/>"I think this urban prairie resettlement is Detroit's best chance of a recovery, personally, but what do I know?"<BR/><BR/>I think, Far is also questioning this. To tell you the truth, I don't know, perhaps we'll find out together?yooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11297259993402713368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3664872774352256800.post-91927077899404843062009-01-04T04:30:00.000-08:002009-01-04T04:30:00.000-08:00Yooper, thanks for the link to that Michael Nystro...Yooper, thanks for the link to that Michael Nystrom article.<BR/><BR/>One little part of it set my teeth on edge, though: right after the picture of the FITB Bank Tower, the author wrote:<BR/><BR/>“But back to the question at hand. Is real estate in Detroit a good investment? The answer to that question is inextricably tied with Detroit's chances of revival. In order for property values to return, people must flow back to the city in droves .. ”<BR/><BR/>Rest assured than when our ancestors were clearing land, or when they came over on the boat from Europe, thoughts of “property values” and “real estate investments” were the furthest thing from their minds. Likewise, high population densities were probably the sort of thing they left Europe to escape.<BR/><BR/>The primary, or even secondary value of a home is NOT for financial gain upon resale, duh .. the true value of your home is a place for you and your family to live. It keeps you safe behind its walls, it shelters you from the elements. Everything else about it is minor in comparison.<BR/><BR/>I think this urban prairie resettlement is Detroit's best chance of a recovery, personally, but what do I know? :)Nudgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01513472441473206482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3664872774352256800.post-14394266316329539372009-01-04T04:09:00.000-08:002009-01-04T04:09:00.000-08:00Yooper .. great stuff :) looking forward to seeing...Yooper .. great stuff :) looking forward to seeing more.Nudgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01513472441473206482noreply@blogger.com